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judetf
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My driveway has pre-installed, traditional motion-detector floodlights that work quite well. Additionally, I have a normal paddle switch in the house that can turn these lights off (regardless of whether they are actually "lit" due to motion detection).
If I replace the paddle switch with a SwitchLink, can I leverage PowerHome to know when the lights actually turn on due to a motion trigger?
I found this thread which is maybe on point, but can't get a definitive answer. It seems to suggest that PH polling can register a status change...
Can anyone comment one way or the other? I'd like to get those motion detectors to interact with PH and the rest of my Insteon lights, and was considering purchasing replacement devices to handle this, but if it can be done just by dropping a SwitchLinc in, that would be fantastic.
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jtf
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I don't think so, but if you have a wiring diagram that might help. You can detect whether the switch is on or off, but not whether or not current is flowing over to load (at least not easily).
Your best bet I think would be to wait for an insteon motion sensor, and possibly some type of cross-linking between the switch and the sensor.
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judetf
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As I've read more, it seems that polling is supposed to let you determine the local load status of lamps that are plugged into a Lamplinc and that have been turned on/off manually.
It strikes me that my goal with the motion detector lights is the same. It is motion, rather than my hand, which is turning the light on, but that shouldn't matter.
So, if polling can do it, will it work by polling a Switchlinc rather than a Lamplinc?
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I don't think so because switchlincs (thankfully, to be honest with you) don't have the load sensing feature. (the load sensing causes as many problems as it solves.)
With a lamplinc, it kind of makes sense in situations where someone might turn on/off a lamp manually -- which is a very rare scenario for a switched light.
What you could do is cross link an insteon motion sensor to the switch. Since the motion sensors aren't out yet, it may be possible to use a relay, or an x-10 device, etc. That way, when the device sees movement, it triggers the switch on.
Polling is ok, but the problem is that it's far from real-time, depending on how you have it set up and the number of devices you have.
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what you really want to do is tear apart the motion-detector and mate it with a powerflash module (or the EZIO if you have the bucks), or replace the spots with an X-10 PR-511 (or wait for the INSTEON motion sensor promised later this year). I use the PR-511 with my system, to trigger other outside lights, and though the programming was a little tricky (you have to deal with a user wanting to turn on all the lights and the PR-511 that turns on itself and other lights, and may even try to cycle off if it was manually turned on), it works quite well now. still, i await an insteon motion-sensor so I can simplify it and improve latency.
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I have an X10 eagleEye hidden out on my front porch. When someone come to the door it sends an X10 signal to a fake/unused address that powerhome picks up, converts it to inteon, sends a signal to the insteon light switch that controls the porch lights. If you have an insteon light switch and powerhome just buy the eagleEye for $20. Save some $. But you might want to replace the flood lights with a normal light fixture.
http://www.smarthome.com/4087.html
also.. with this setup you can have powerhome act as a timmer for your front lights too.
I was going through some old clips from my DVR/Security camera's and I actualy saw a racoon on the porch trigger the lights to come on and then watched him run away. it was really funny.
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Thanks - that could work. problem is - you have X-10 going on (in my case) a virtually all insteon network = reliability issues.
I'm still hoping/betting on an INSTEON motion sensor this year
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I agree an insteon m.s. would rock! but to tell you the truth. The little eagleEye has never let me down! I had apx 20 X10 light switches, 5 app. modules, 4 motion sensors, etc. and i finally got fed up with x10 reliability so i jumped into insteon (with great success!) but to this day i still use all 4 X10 motion sensors and they have never let me down. i have them in the basement so if its dark the light fade on as i come down the stairs, out back if something is sensed its turns on outside lights along with lights in the house to make it look like someone is home (kinda freaky when your in that room watching a movie or getting giggie with it  and the lights go on) but that being said. I am very content with it.
Just my opinion.
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FYI: X10 Wireless does not equal X10 power line.
They are two different animals. The wireless stuff will not cause any Insteon problems.
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I agree, I was just letting jtf know that the eagleEye has been very reliable for me. (even though it says X10 on it) LOL
Rob
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don't understand - - how would powerhome receive X-10 WIRELESS????
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Ah, well, you need a receiver!
Something like an X10 MR-26A, WGL W800RF32A, or an RFXCOM 80001.
I have and recommend the W800, but the RFXCOM can do more (and is more expensive).
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right - but then it's still WIRED X-10 from the receiver to the PLC, and more $. happy to wait a bit longer for the real (insteon) thing...
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Not to PLC, to PC. Direct into PH. You can wait, though! 
As long as you have the new version of the SignaLinc's. Those are the only ones that will receive the wireless stuff when it exists.
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wait - you're saying the new accesslincs (or whatever) will receive wireless X-10????
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No, no. Wireless Insteon.
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judetf
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funbobbybaby69 wrote:
[snip](kinda freaky when your in that room watching a movie or getting giggie with it and the lights go on)[snip]
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Proposed solution: Global Variable "GittinGiggie" + KPL button to toggle "yes/no"
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This is what im using
http://www.aartech.ca/2414u-smarthome-powerlinc-v2-insteon-x 10-usb-controller-c-26-p-1-sku-2414u.html
The 2414u works great! it accepts x10 and insteon wireless signals.
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i have a 2414u - i don't think it accepts ANY wireless signals. you sure you don't have an X10 receiver somewhere?
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The 2414U does not do wireless at all.
Only the 2443 Insteon Accesspoint handles the yet-to-be-released Insteon wireless stuff (ignoring the ugly remote that *is* available).
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